Anyone else notice that the fascism dial got turned waaaay up recently?

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Anyone else notice that the fascism dial got turned waaaay up recently?

US Government is Watching you on Facebook, Myspace and Twitter!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZNqj9W8TLw

James Berkheimer - Really? Did you even watch the video? The hot lawyer chick explained what they were collecting and why. This is a completely open and transparent request and I frankly don't see anything wrong with it.

Isaac J. Conner - And that is exactly the problem bro.

James Berkheimer - No, it's no problem at all. You are chasing ghosts in order to make your point about Obama. I respect the fact that you don't like Obama. But when you start calling things fascist which are clearly not then I have to call you out on it. This request was done to meet compliance for the Presidential Records Act not for some nefarious reason.

James Berkheimer - Just for posterity I did a google search for this topic and I found this link which explains the in some detail what the Act requires.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/02/does-obama-plan-to-spy-on-social-n...

Carrie Cooper Boe - Banging head against wall. James, they are culling people's information from their pages with no restriction on how they use said information. Now, if anyone is retarded enough to actually post crap on FB that they are not willing to allow the government to see then that's just attrition anyway because it's a given we're all being monitored. However, for all i give a flying crud about their inability to touch me where I REALLY live well, here, the US gov can go F-k themselves for all I care or will consent to give up my own divine and sovereign rights as an entity to them. Personally, I'm just visiting this planet, but I am not OF it, so what the devil are they going to do to me...REALLY?! No more than it really matters given ultimate reality then you are BOTH right, but in terms of material reality and maintaining some kind of pleasant existence on the surface, then James, I am sorry that I can not get my head far enough up my ass or deep enough down the ostrich hole to agree with you. For the broader record, folks, they use crap like the Presidential Records Act as a smoke screen to make crap that is malignant seem benign. It's like if I had a plan to pull off a bank heist and called it the equitable financing act and then said blowing someone's head off in the commission of upholding my agenda was just part of meeting compliance with my acts. Baaah!

Carrie Cooper Boe - Ignorance of these things, be it willful ignorance or no, is no protection from them.

James Berkheimer - I'm sorry but I don't speak crazy so I can't truly respond to this rant. But I do see that you enjoy banging your head on hard objects...which may explain the incoherence. May I suggest some head banging techniques?

http://www.geekologie.com/2010/05/oh_hes_good_hes_reaaaal_good_w.php

Carrie Cooper Boe - MAD, adj. Affected with a high degree of intellectual independence; not conforming to standards of thought, speech and action derived by the conformants from study of themselves; at odds with the majority; in short, unusual. It is noteworthy that persons are pronounced mad by officials destitute of evidence that themselves are sane. For illustration, this present (and illustrious) lexicographer is no firmer in the faith of his own sanity than is any inmate of any madhouse in the land; yet for aught he knows to the contrary, instead of the lofty occupation that seems to him to be engaging his powers he may really be beating his hands against the window bars of an asylum and declaring himself Noah Webster, to the innocent delight of many thoughtless spectators.

James Berkheimer - Well, at least you can copy and past test from the internet. There is hope yet.

James Berkheimer - *text

Isaac J. Conner - Just so the point is not lost here, I didn't say anything about Obama. This is about fascism, of which he is part.

The public that once so vociferously denounced The Bush Administration, then demanded the same atrocities from a better public speaker is an Orwellian wet dream.

Here is some perspective:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

Isaac J. Conner - Sorry for the hyperbole.

Derrick Shearer - hmmm..in a weird sort of way..(and i do feel bad saying this) i sort of side with James. I mean Obama is gettin all kinds of stuff from both sides.He is an inteligent man and i trust a lot of what he says when he talks.There are a few things that upset me...well one big one - the resigning of the patriot act!!! that was a huge mistake and i hope he didn't do it for the pathetic stupid reasoning of the whole reaching across thing..cuz we already know no one is going to reach back across...i think he will do what he can for this country and i know that repub and dems..play on the same team but maybe..just maybe one man can try to make a few changes that are needed and not get assisnated.We only get 2 choices for president every year...and he was by far the better choice and until that changes not much else we can do.Isaac please stop bangin your head.A lot of girls like the way it looks and we don't wanna ruin it in case we can make money off of it one day.

James Berkheimer - Isaac, please please please do some historical research on Nazi era Germany and Fascist Italy. Try to find sources that are academic and as non-biased as possible. The reason I ask this is because those two regimes performed very serious and evil acts. Comparing Obama's or any president's administration to those regimes is a very serious charge and shouldn't be done lightly.

I suspect that you get much of your information from alternative sources like the link you provided. Granted the information you get is just as valid as anywhere else, but I feel that you have to scrutinize it just as much.

James Berkheimer - Why do you feel bad siding with me Derrick? Does it bring you too close to sanity? ;)

Derrick Shearer - lol..no it makes me feel like i am turning a lil fruity

Derrick Shearer - no offense to the fruity people.....unless you are james berkenhemierandjungengermanname

Carrie Cooper Boe - Derrick, it isn't necessarily Obama. It's the system he's operating in. Once a person is in that they've got them by the cojones. You ever had a crappy job where you could have done amazing things but thanks to managerial incest and an incestuous thought pool and broken platform you were only mocked, reviled and game wrecked when you tried to move beyond the tightly imposed grid-lock of mediocrity or cesspool-lism? I knew Obama personally. Amazing person...REAL, but once you get into that arena you are swimming against the tide big time and it is difficult to stay awake much less do anything you'd planned on. "Waking the Dead" is an amazing film for depicting how some bright people get laid to waste in that. Former Presidents who have gone into that as well intentioned as Obama have made no bones about making it clear that they may as well have ongoing guns pointed at their heads in that. There are puppet-masters running all that and once you're in that they've "got you." I see it more as the light being put under arrest.

Carrie Cooper Boe - Btw, if anyone can triumph over that by some measure it WILL be Obama, so there IS hope...however, without the people's voices chiming in and solidly championing him in his own vision and going berzerk over stuff like this then he is not going to have the compass or power he needs to pull it off.

Derrick Shearer - no, i get that part carrie ..i watched a lot of the things many people and lobbyists already tried to stop his progress on..and he took the fall for a lot of it when no one else would have..i respect him for a lot of things and like i said..he was the definite best choice of the 2 we had. I never hear a president talk to kids the way he does..ask for idea..do youtube podcasts..etc. he is very in touch and looks at not only the bottom line but how it wil lafeect/effect things to come. i like a lot of what he has to offer. iwish more people got behind him and started the morale of this country in a much needed positive push.lets become the best country again...we are getting behind

Carrie Cooper Boe - Obama is the perfect example of where our presidents reflect our OWN ignorance and slothfulness due to the sheer fact that he went in there riding so high and has been brought so low. It's not his issue as much as ours. And, Isaac, a friend and i were discussing the Obama goes to Bilderberg issue and I think there's a value to getting in bed with the enemy. I don't know that it's wise to judge him in all of this.

LeeAnn Hively-Insalaco - "he was the definite best choice of the 2 we had." ~ Derrick

I find it so frustrating that THIS is the opinion of the general American populace. We had more than two choices. I didn't vote Repub or Democrat... I voted Green Party. And although people know there are others running, it has been decided that we should only vote for Dem or Repub.... when the reality is, if we all voted for the person who represented our needs and desires most accurately, we would have a real election and not simply a game of trying to pick the "lesser evil" out of two nearly identical candidates. So identical, in fact, that if they were an inch closer, they'd be Siamese Twins....

Bryan Assata - Fact: Our rights are being dwindled away under the notion that "anyone" can be labled a terrorist, and pieces of the government are being privatized, so the Government can't be blamed if shit goes wrong. If you wish to place your head in the sand, and wish for blissful ignorance, then that's your choice. TRUTH is out there, and it's not a matter of "theory". We can plow through miles and miles of legislation......all the BS that they have ammended to the constitution.....and wipe our proverbial ass with the Bill of Rights; BUT the fact is, we can be killed because the Government decides who is a threat and who isn't. The fact that information is being gathered from Facebook, MySpace etc...should be no big surprise to anyone.....can we say "The Patriot Act"? Which BTW, had a year extension signed by the President.
Why oh why didn't I just take the blue pill?

Derrick Shearer - LeeAnn- what amazes me is we all had the same basic training in the public school system yet some of us still ust don't get it.It wouldn' matter if every person on this continent voted green,red or blue.The final decision is and always has been made by the promises made by the electoral college to the candidate they support. In fact, you honestly don't remember when the popular vote voted in one guy and the other guy won the race.I think some peope did swallow the blue pill ..,when i say out of the 2 the best guy won..i dont mean out of our choices..i mean out of the choices the electoral college had..we mean nothing..I know..we were taught in school that we are the government but that was BS that you should have figured out by now.Until the electoral college is gone...if you even step outside to vote for a president you are fooling yourself and wasting your time..Vote local where it actually counts and can make a real difference.

LeeAnn Hively-Insalaco - But don't you see, Derrick? Envision this then. Everyone begins voting for their intended representatives. Are we not supposed to dictate how our representatives vote, anyway? Since, the word Representative itself is defined as someone who is to represent his/her people. Do you honestly think there would not be outrage and political upheaval if everyone voted in a presidential election, and some third party person was elected in, then they were all overruled by the collegiate vote?? Do you not think things would begin to change then when the voice of the people is so blatantly ignored, versus the secretive and manipulative way we are currently ignored?

How about the fact that each vote a third party person receives bolsters them... gives them the backing they need for morale to continue fighting the good fight... for working as diligently as they can to alter our nation and the direction it is heading in. And don't claim third party candidates do not do things that change the world in spite of having to fight against the big dogs in order to do so lest you spur Isaac into another sermon on His Holy Highness Ralph Nader. Although he would be right, of course, when giving factual accounts of all the good Nader has done in the world without the privilege of sleeping in the White House each night. And my vote goes to that. My vote is not wasted... it is not a waste of time... it was one more vote that told my party, "Hey, I still give a damn about your vision. It's my vision, too.", and they nodded, and they accepted it, and the next day they kept on working toward the projects they started long ago.

Lastly, the collegiate votes themselves will change and include other parties once we vote those people in. I didn't clarify that well enough, so I decided to do so now. Republican and Democrat are not the only options available in lower seats of political power, either. And I do believe change tends to start very small.

I didn't swallow the blue pill. I just decided to quit being a good little sheep, and no one will be shearing me any longer ;)

Carrie Cooper Boe - Derrick, there's no such thing as a victim. The only reason they have that power is that we've consented to let them have ours. Without their control over consensus trance they don't have a leg to stand on. Your buying in to the things you are telling LeeAnn is your adhering to and spreading one of their stopgaps for the grand deception. It's all about psychic influence. They cannot do these things against our will. The problem is, most people do not have a lot of will and they leverage that against us as a weakness. Now you all tell, at what point does a person being weak in that respect make them fair game? I mean come on, what are we asking for some cheese to go with our whine, here? This isn't the laws based on the land of consciousness here. It's the law of the jungle. If we exist as such as they CAN pull one over on us or con us out of our own divine rights wherein most will gladly trade their rights for less responsibility, then how can we say that isn't FAIR? There's no crying in baseball! Our options are to step up to the plate in our own self mastery and encourage and inspire others to do so as well, raise a little consciousness, wage some revolution OR go back into our little caves and throw ourselves a little pity party over where the big ol meanies are eating us "little folk" of breakfast. Heck, if you could summon a cow, tell it to go kill and then prepare itself into a nice, juicy steak on your plate wouldn't you do it? They're just using hypnosis on us, Derrick. That is ALL that they have. Those who restrain desire do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained and we're up against some rather lusty and willful people. Hell, they fight for what they've grown up getting they're entitled to. There's just no balance in where we aren't doing the same so, yeah, the system is lopsided in terms of being equitable.

Derrick Shearer - did it change the EC's mind when we all voted one guy in ad they picked abother in the past? do they care if we disagree..was there any backlashing? will ther be in the future..they will pick who they want no matter..and until they are gone it is a waste...i am not saying this because i hate my freedoms and dont want to pick the right guy for the job..i say this only because it is truth. Til we find a way to out the EC...we dont have achoice they pick we don't period. I would love to dream in color and say that in the future it will eb different... they will see that everyone voted a certain way and will go ...geee even though i told the other guy he had my vote and i took the bribes; the fact is i am a politician at heart and it is ok for me to lie and change my vote. I doubt that will happen but who knows.

Derrick Shearer - and carrie...yes i think people should step up to the plate, but i do not think it is right that millions of Americans believe they are doing so while the EC laughs at them because they know that they are actually stepping up to bat ina cave and the people are too dumb to realize it.If we can do what we want i say go ahead and get rid of theEC..when ya do that then we can really do what we want....I love your morale building speech so i say i am behind you..get rid of them

LeeAnn Hively-Insalaco - Where you speak of it happening in the past, and I know for certain you are right, can you recall where the collegiate vote denied the wishes of the people in pretty much every state (if not *definitely* in every state?) so an uproar WOULD be counted. I seem to recall when Dubya got into office, there was plenty uproar about the collegiate vote and the vote of the people not matching... and that was only in how many states?? One. One state being questionable. One state causing upheaval. One state being ridiculed, and one presidency being held in limbo until the issue was resolved.

The truth is what we make it to be, Derrick. Don't mean to seem all pseudo-New-Age-ish, but I believe it. By completely giving up and saying the system is the way it is, therefore we can't do too damn much about it anyway is ridiculous. This is my world too, and I'll continue trying my hardest to make it what I want it to be, even though there are so many people out there who are content letting it go on as it is...

Carrie Cooper Boe - Look, Derrick, it's like this, when you feel fear or hopelessness in the face of this kind of thing then you need to get that they've got you and that's just another program they instilled in you as a stop gap to rising up. It's something that get's triggered into auto play right on cue. Something else they've done is condition us to label the emotions we experience like hope, excitement and a lust for life as fear that we then endeavor to suppress and it gets us turning our backs on things we should be avidly pursuing. One of those programs says if we do these things we will be condemned, caged, put to death, or worse to some of us...laughed at, devalued, or we may lose respect and credibility amongst our peers. Then you got their back-ups in people like James who are so well programmed that they just can't help but serve as proof to where your "fear" was right. Psht! Right! As soon as you start coming out of your own cage you will find that you are surrounded by these types and the worst ones will seemingly start coming out of the woodwork like clockwork. Once you get this stuff and get that it's to be expected and a sign of your own progress then you can just smile and wave at these jokers

Carrie Cooper Boe - They're screwing with the vote in so many ways that the vote is a waste. They've got us all glued to the ballots as if thats our main source of power and it isn't. Our primary resource is our attention. To a large degree, we'd be better off IGNORING stuff like this OP and focusing our attention on raising our own consciousness and the consciousness of others. There are some things everyone agrees on. We need food, water, clean air, some degree of shelter and (these days) clean energy to survive. These are things that we, as individuals, need to wrest back control of for ourselves. As long as outside forces control those things we are NOT free and we never will be. These are subjects that strike at the root of human existence and they are not debatable on the basis of politics, religion, etc. That is you will NOT find anyone disagreeing over that and therein lies where this conversation needs to be had. I had a dream last night. In it i was informed that our food supply would be greatly disrupted by the end of this year. Not to alarm anyone, but shouldn't securing the primary necessities for maintaining basic survival be our primary focus and if you get people awakening and coming together in that, won't a lot of the rest take care of itself? I've seen this happen in transition towns. It has the same effect as war based revolutions in terms of bringing people together only its a lot more healthy and there's been no blood shed. It's just one by one, house by house, neighborhood by neighborhood that these towns are taking it back. when you are focusing on creative solutions rather than dwelling on the problems you are not only awakening your self but you are others too and where that attention is NOT going to them then that is half of the battle. The other half is diverting resources like money and labor and investing those resources where they fuel positive things. What we need is to network in solutions and to actively set our intentions towards being a part of the solution, rather than the problem full time.

Carrie Cooper Boe - Here, this is by Daniel Quinn:

Sinking Ship

The ship was sinking---and sinking fast. The captain told the passengers and crew, "We've got to get the lifeboats in the water right away."
But the crew said, "First we have to end capitalist oppression of the working class. Then we'll take care of the lifeboats."

Then the women said, "First we want equal pay for equal work. The lifeboats can wait."

The racial minorities said, "First we need to end racial discrimination. Then seating in the lifeboats will be allotted fairly."

The captain said, "These are all important issues, but they won't matter a damn if we don't survive. We've got to lower the lifeboats right away!"

But the religionists said, "First we need to bring prayer back into the classroom. This is more important than lifeboats."

Then the pro-life contingent said, "First we must outlaw abortion. Fetuses have just as much right to be in those lifeboats as anyone else."

The right-to-choose contingent said, "First acknowledge our right to abortion, then we'll help with the lifeboats."

The socialists said, "First we must redistribute the wealth. Once that's done everyone will work equally hard at lowering the lifeboats."

The animal-rights activists said, "First we must end the use of animals in medical experiments. We can't let this be subordinated to lowering the lifeboats."

Finally the ship sank, and because none of the lifeboats had been lowered, everyone drowned.

The last thought of more than one of them was, "I never dreamed that solving humanity's problems would take so long---or that the ship would sink so SUDDENLY."

Carrie Cooper Boe - I guess what I'm trying to say is that while it is important to get that these things are going on as such that we are aware of what it is we're contending with, it is more important to NOT get caught up in that and to quit talking about what's wrong and to start championing, acting on and creating what's consciously sound and sustainable. Like, there is so much wheel spinning in all of this is going to actually advance on and create change. Like, I personally can only take so much of talking about stuff and then i get bored and frustrated and have to ACT on what I know. If I were going to be putting a lot of stuff out there then it would be on what we could be doing instead of what's taking place already. What i'm saying right now is going to reflect the past in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...forget where right now, this is the past...let's focus on the FUTURE while there's still a chance for us to create an option for having one. All the stuff that is getting slung out there at us every day is a distraction. Even if it raises our awareness about what's going down, at what point does talking about it become a distraction in and of itself. People learn no more quickly by seeing it MODELED in others and seeing it actually WORKING for them and seeing them HAPPY and THRIVING in that. Wherein we are rather ahead of the curve it seems best we get to it being the early adopters we are so that we have a chance to actually create what the middling and late adopters will eventually adopt. The way i see it is our best option for getting our power back is to divert, divert, divert, and rechannel, rechannel, and rechannel our energies, attention, and resources towards the SOLUTIONS and then harness and harness and harness what NEW options and resources and alternatives will arise as a result of our acting on that.

Derrick Shearer - yes, and we went how long without a president..it was aweful..delayed the inauguration and everything ..threw our whole system into whack. OK- back to reality..actually in the 2000 election that was referred to; 4 states that i know of did not vote(even as simple as majority) the way popular vote voted.NM,Or,Vt.,Wi. ohh 5 if you count controversial Fl. However the reason we went so long without a Pres(haha) was mainly because mainstream was hung up on hanging chads(as well as unfair placement of names on cards so that no one knew who they were really voting for), not because of the electoral college itself. Now; as far as other points brought up.."Was this the only time that the electoral college had "a problem" with popular vote"....no! http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/controversial.htm#1800
7 listed there and i believe there was more but i just don't have the energy to put into what i thought was so obvious. We do not get to vote!!!! we get to pretend...and ya know what is even worse than that.. For one day on this last election i like so much of what Obama was sayin and so little of what McCain was saying(except his last speech or 2) that i had an appt. at the studio but before i left to go put in "my fake vote" i was watching the news and before polls were closed - Obama was announced the winner(so they saved me from even going down and wasting what i knew was a huge waste of my time in the first place). I think the official win came in even before all the electoral votes were even counted because he was far enough ahead so forget even popular vote..some states even electoral vote didn't count. In a day an age where information is relayed so quickly and wniners are announced before contests are over and with everyone wanting to vote for the winning guy and the fact that electoral colleges decide and even all those votes don't have to be in before it is all tabulated..well does anyone else see a problem? i am not being pessimistic..i am being realistic..there is a huge problem and all i hear is..well get out and vote..are you kidding? Did anyone hear@! There is a huge problem!!!! we need change!!! there is a problem!!!!

Isaac J. Conner - You are correct, Derrick.

More on your point is that we have a population of roughly 300 million people. Roughly have of that amount are registered to vote. Roughly half of that amount actually vote, and what percentage of those people actually know something about that for which they are voting?

This cannot be considered a truly democratic process under these circumstances, by any definition.

The most revolutionary act one can make in this broken process, is have the courage to vote their conscience and for the person that most represents them, even though everyone else has cheapened the act by voting *against* their better judgement and *for* a competitive group-think that forces the worst potential outcome.

Nozomi Hayase - @ James, I just want to point out that there is no such thing as 'unbiased' academic work. The creed of objectivity, the magical formula that makes researchers transcend any racial and political bias refers to something that does not actually exist. When this notion of objectivity is applied to physical science, it serves well most of the time. But I just wanted to say that so much injustice in history was carried out behind the cloak of objectivity. I think for researchers, when it comes to the social realm, the best that they can do is to give honest disclosure of their motives and hidden agenda to the readers. I wrote an essay titled Constitution of the Heart on my blog addressing this issue.

http://nozomimagination.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/the-constitution-of-the...

The US political system as it has been always dismissed people who fall into poverty, ingenious people, and many colored people. So to even regard that system as democratic, truly representing people is somewhat middle-upper class intellectual thought.

Amy Goodman once said how Obama, as a president of the United States as the most powerful person on the Earth. But what is more powerful are ordinary citizens. From this point of view he is JUST a president. I think what is really needed to be looked at more than talking about him or democracts or tea party etc is the question of how we as we the people can claim our own power, which btw is from my perspective what Nader's efforts in electoral arena is all about (he is not a politician in this regard), to help us reclaim our own significance.

I say politics is useless if it further deludes us from this truth of our own power. Politics can only have meaning when the main character of citizens are fully engaged as who they truly are, not as secondary citizen, but as the most important part of the democracy. We should be making our own credit banks, schools and coops instead of wasting time debating about what leaders are doing who are selected mostly by the moneyed elite.

Carrie Cooper Boe - Well SAID Nozomi! And YAY! Another activist rooted in consciousness!